Legislature(2015 - 2016)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/11/2015 01:30 PM Senate FINANCE



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01:34:05 PM Start
01:34:08 PM SB30
01:39:00 PM Public Testimony
04:03:05 PM Adjourn
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                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                      March 11, 2015                                                                                            
                         1:34 p.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:34:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  called  the  Senate  Finance  Committee                                                                    
meeting to order at 1:34 p.m.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Anna MacKinnon, Co-Chair                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Peter Micciche, Vice-Chair                                                                                              
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Giono Barrett,  Self, Juneau;  James Barrett,  Self, Juneau;                                                                    
Kathie  Wasserman, Alaska  Municipal  League, Juneau;  David                                                                    
Sanden, Alaskan Cannabis Project, Auke Bay.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Beth Carroll,  Self, Fritz Creek; Shane  Monroe, Self, Fritz                                                                    
Creek;  Kathryn Smith,  Self, Wasilla;  Sara Williams,  CEO,                                                                    
Midnight Greenery, Wasilla;  Larry O'Kelly, Self, Anchorage;                                                                    
Cory  Wray,  Alaska   Cannabis  Institute,  Anchorage;  Rich                                                                    
Foehner,  Self, Anchorage;  Charles McKee,  Self, Anchorage;                                                                    
Randall Fall, Self, Kenai;  Dollyinda Phelps, Self, Nikiski;                                                                    
Dean Lari, Self, Haines; Michael  Glasgow, Self, Homer; John                                                                    
Sheipe,  Self, Fritz  Creek; Dennis  Wade,  Self, East  End;                                                                    
Lindianne  Sarno,  Self,  Homer; Brandon  Emmett,  Executive                                                                    
Director,  Coalition  for Responsible  Cannabis  Legislation                                                                    
(COCL), Fairbanks;  Kelly Ann  Clemons, Self,  Wasilla; Leif                                                                    
Abel,  Self, Kasilof;  Robert  Davis,  Self, Wasilla;  Frank                                                                    
Berrardi,   Board   Chairman,  Coalition   for   Responsible                                                                    
Cannabis Legislation,  Fairbanks; Girard Gaul,  Senior Board                                                                    
Member,  Coalition  for  Responsible  Cannabis  Legislation,                                                                    
Fairbanks;  Hope   Laro,  Self,  Fairbanks;   Phil  Wheelan,                                                                    
Coalition for  Responsible Cannabis  Legislation, Anchorage;                                                                    
Megan Lyda,  Self, Homer; Fay Harold,  Self, Anchorage; Paul                                                                    
Davis, Self, Anchorage; Kim  Cole, Coalition for Responsible                                                                    
Cannabis  Legislation,  Anchorage; Christopher  Lapp,  Self,                                                                    
Anchorage; Michael  Howard, Self,  Hope; Dana  DeGraw, Self,                                                                    
Wasilla;  Dana  Guidi,  Self, Homer;  David  Matheny,  Self,                                                                    
Anchorage;  John Farleigh,  Self,  Anchorage; Brian  Ehlers,                                                                    
Self,  Kasilof;  Steve  Wells,  Criminal  Defense  Attorney,                                                                    
Palmer;  Frank Mighell,  Self, Anchorage;  Allen Cornelison,                                                                    
Self, Anchorage;  Jacob Tatum, Self, Anchorage;  Rick Costa,                                                                    
Self,   Anchorage;  Jason   Howard,  Self,   Soldotna;  Ross                                                                    
Mullins,  Self,  Cordova;   Zeke  Hilsinger,  Self,  Sutton;                                                                    
Rachelle Yeung, Marijuana  Policy Project, Washington, D.C.;                                                                    
David  Johnson,  CEO  and Founder  of  Grassp,  Oregon;  Ben                                                                    
Adams, Self, Santa Rosa, California.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 30     MARIJUANA REG;CONT. SUBST;CRIMES;DEFENSES                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          SB 30 was HEARD and HELD in committee for further                                                                     
          consideration.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 30                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
          "An   Act  relating   to  controlled   substances;                                                                    
          relating to  marijuana; relating to  driving motor                                                                    
          vehicles   when  there   is   an  open   marijuana                                                                    
          container; and providing for an effective date."                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:34:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  stated  (for  the  audience  and  those                                                                    
waiting   to  testify   online)  that   the  committee   was                                                                    
considering CS SB 30, Work  Draft 29-LS0231\X. She explained                                                                    
that the  decision to keep marijuana  in Alaska's controlled                                                                    
substance schedule  protected the state,  marijuana personal                                                                    
users,   and   the   marijuana  commercial   industry.   She                                                                    
referenced  a memorandum  from United  States Department  of                                                                    
Justice (DOJ)  Deputy Attorney General  James M.  Cole (copy                                                                    
on file);  explaining that the  memo states that the  DOJ is                                                                    
committed  to  the  enforcement of  the  Federal  Controlled                                                                    
Substances Act.  She furthered that  the memo  gave guidance                                                                    
to  federal law  enforcement agencies  on how  to focus  the                                                                    
resources on marijuana enforcement.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  directed attention to key  points within                                                                    
the new version of the  bill, including the institution of a                                                                    
felony  charge   for  distribution  to  children;   and  the                                                                    
prevention of  funds going  to criminal  enterprises through                                                                    
establishment   of  statutory   authority  for   commercial,                                                                    
regulated  marijuana businesses.  She  drew  attention to  a                                                                    
policy decision - that of  a clear demarcation of 16 ounces,                                                                    
currently four  times the amount  that constitutes  a felony                                                                    
misconduct  involving  a  controlled substance.  She  stated                                                                    
that the  current version of  the bill also  prevented state                                                                    
authorized marijuana activity from being  used as a cover or                                                                    
pretext for other illegal  activity. Further, she explained,                                                                    
the  CS kept  marijuana  as a  controlled  substance at  the                                                                    
current level of 6A, different  from the federal schedule 1.                                                                    
She clarified  that schedule 6A  marijuana was  described in                                                                    
Alaska Statutes  as a  substance with  the lowest  degree of                                                                    
danger to a  person or the public; and  additionally that SB
30 made it  clear, without requiring a person  to assert any                                                                    
defense, that  Alaska's controlled  substance laws  were not                                                                    
applicable  to the  person as  long  as the  conduct was  as                                                                    
proscribed in the initiative for personal use.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon stated that  SB 30 prevented violence and                                                                    
the use of  firearms in the cultivation  and distribution of                                                                    
marijuana.  She  alluded  to   the  amount  of  drug-related                                                                    
violence in  Alaska in the  current year, and  remarked that                                                                    
such  activity invited  federal  scrutiny and  intervention.                                                                    
She   stressed  the   importance   of  holding   individuals                                                                    
accountable for criminal behavior.  She asserted that Alaska                                                                    
did not want federal  oversight and intervention; and opined                                                                    
that  a  sound  and  clear   structure  for  lawful  use  of                                                                    
marijuana  was  the  common desire.  She  asked  individuals                                                                    
wanting  to testify  to make  their statements  respectfully                                                                    
and  to  make  references  to  the  bill  with  accompanying                                                                    
specifics to  aid in the  potential drafting  of amendments.                                                                    
She  elaborated  that  the  committee  had  heard  from  the                                                                    
Department of  Law Public Defenders  Office and  other areas                                                                    
of state government and thereby saw "holes" in the CS.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
^PUBLIC TESTIMONY                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:39:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GIONO  BARRETT,  SELF,  JUNEAU, spoke  to  concerns  he  had                                                                    
regarding SB 30. He commented  that he had been a registered                                                                    
medical marijuana  user for six  years and had  been growing                                                                    
his  own cannabis  plants  for  as long.  He  added that  he                                                                    
planned on opening  a marijuana business, in  which he would                                                                    
focus  on   cultivation  and  the  production   of  cannabis                                                                    
products.  He stated  that he  had concerns  with the  bill,                                                                    
specifically  from the  perspective of  a medical  marijuana                                                                    
user, but also as a  prospective business owner. He referred                                                                    
to Section 4,  line 28; referring to the  amount of tablets,                                                                    
ampules,  or   syrettes.  Mr.   Barrett  wondered   if  this                                                                    
terminology was  in reference to  intravenous drug  use, and                                                                    
related that he had never heard  of such use in the cannabis                                                                    
industry or  as a  medical user. He  was concerned  that the                                                                    
reference implied that marijuana  was a dangerous drug, when                                                                    
it is not. Co-Chair MacKinnon  pointed out that the language                                                                    
he was referring to was  current state language and not part                                                                    
of the changes the bill would address.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Barrett addressed  Section 6,  line 16,  concerning the                                                                    
aggregate weight  of one ounce of  the controlled substance.                                                                    
He commented  that limiting an  individual to one  ounce for                                                                    
transportation purposes.  He felt this was  in conflict with                                                                    
the intent of  the initiative. He related  the difficulty in                                                                    
controlling the  amount of marijuana  in his  possession. He                                                                    
furthered  that  as  a  medical  marijuana  user,  the  bill                                                                    
compounded criminality  for him  rather than  mitigating it.                                                                    
He spoke  to the limitation of  concentrates, and considered                                                                    
it to be a hindrance to his medical treatment.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
JAMES BARRETT, SELF,  JUNEAU, spoke in opposition  to SB 30.                                                                    
He  mentioned that  he  hoped  to start  a  business in  the                                                                    
cannabis industry.  He thanked the committee  for their work                                                                    
on the bill  thus far. He stated that he  viewed the bill as                                                                    
overreaching  and restrictive.  He  opined  that the  public                                                                    
aspiration was  to overhaul  the black  market and  create a                                                                    
legitimate  industry.  He  spoke  in favor  of  a  marijuana                                                                    
control  board,  and  establishment  of  civil  rather  than                                                                    
criminal penalties. He commented  that for an average member                                                                    
of the  public, it  was difficult  to discern  the allowable                                                                    
amount  of  legal  possession of  marijuana;  and  therefore                                                                    
would  be  a challenge  for  law  enforcement. He  suggested                                                                    
using  regulation rather  than  legislation  to address  the                                                                    
fine points of legalization.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:47:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BETH  CARROLL,  SELF,   FRITZ  CREEK  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
thanked the committee  for working so hard  to institute the                                                                    
will  of  the  people.  She   spoke  in  opposition  of  the                                                                    
committee substitute (version  X) for SB 30,  and asked that                                                                    
the committee restore the  Judiciary Committee (JUD) version                                                                    
of the bill. She alleged  that the JUD version was carefully                                                                    
deliberated. She  spoke to Section  4, which would  create a                                                                    
class C felony  for greater than 16 ounces (or  more than 25                                                                    
plants) in  the home.  She opined  that section  created the                                                                    
underlying assumption of intention  of criminality. She used                                                                    
the  analogy  of  being  a wine  aficionado  and  having  an                                                                    
extensive collection,  and made the case  that an individual                                                                    
should   be  able   to  possess   marijuana  from   multiple                                                                    
cultivations  throughout the  year in  excess of  16 ounces.                                                                    
She  spoke to  Section  24, relating  to  limiting sales  of                                                                    
concentrate.  She  echoed  the previous  testifier  in  that                                                                    
concentrates were the  wave of the future  for medicinal and                                                                    
recreational users. She pointed out  that there was no limit                                                                    
on  alcohol  possession. She  spoke  to  the open  container                                                                    
language in  Sections 29  through 31,  and suggested  it was                                                                    
vague. She reiterated her support  of the JUD version of the                                                                    
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:50:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHANE  MONROE,  SELF,   FRITZ  CREEK  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
echoed the  testimony of the previous  speaker, particularly                                                                    
with   regard   to   felony   possession   and   limits   of                                                                    
concentrates.  He  pointed out  that  both  the science  and                                                                    
market  for marijuana  are changing  rapidly, and  suggested                                                                    
that granting broad powers and  oversight to a control board                                                                    
would  be prudent.  He  spoke in  favor  of regulation  over                                                                    
legislation. He  thanked the committee for  the privilege of                                                                    
testifying.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:51:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHRYN  SMITH, SELF,  WASILLA  (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                    
about her concerns  with SB 30. She commented that  she is a                                                                    
registered medical marijuana user  due to chronic neuropathy                                                                    
pain.  She had  used concentrates  and currently  juices raw                                                                    
cannabis. She communicated that  her primary concern is lack                                                                    
of  protection for  medical users.  She shared  her personal                                                                    
experience with recovery after  using the plant medicinally.                                                                    
She  related  that  her health  has  improved  significantly                                                                    
since using  marijuana in the place  of prescribed narcotics                                                                    
and seizure  medication which damaged her  gall bladder. She                                                                    
challenged  the  committee  members  to  educate  themselves                                                                    
about the medicinal uses of marijuana.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:53:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARA   WILLIAMS,  CEO,   MIDNIGHT  GREENERY,   WASILLA  (via                                                                    
teleconference), spoke  in opposition to SB  30. She thanked                                                                    
the  committee   for  undertaking  the  important   task  of                                                                    
updating the Alaska criminal statutes.  She stated that part                                                                    
of  that duty  is  to uphold  the will  of  the voters.  She                                                                    
asserted  that  keeping  marijuana  off  of  the  controlled                                                                    
substance list  was essential for supporting  the success of                                                                    
the initiative.  She declared that the  legislature must not                                                                    
limit  the  sale of  marijuana  to  one  ounce per  day  per                                                                    
customer,  and  took  issue with  the  implied  tracking  of                                                                    
customer  purchases. She  contended that  the creation  of a                                                                    
statewide   customer   database   would   push   responsible                                                                    
consumers toward the  black market. She used  the analogy of                                                                    
alcohol possession. She stated  that individual users should                                                                    
be able to  use firearms for protection.  She questioned the                                                                    
constitutionality  of deviating  from  the successful  voter                                                                    
initiative.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:56:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LARRY O'KELLY,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in  opposition to  SB  30. He  noted that  he  is neither  a                                                                    
medical or  recreational user of  marijuana. He  remarked on                                                                    
the  importance  of keeping  to  the  original form  of  the                                                                    
ballot    initiative.    He   characterized    control    on                                                                    
concentrates, limits  on amounts,  and consumer  tracking as                                                                    
overreach.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:57:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CORY  WRAY,   ALASKA  CANNABIS  INSTITUTE,   ANCHORAGE  (via                                                                    
teleconference), spoke in opposition  to the current version                                                                    
SB 30,  and specified that  cannabis should be  removed from                                                                    
the  controlled  substances  list. He  echoed  the  previous                                                                    
testifiers  with  regard  to   limitations  on  purchase  of                                                                    
concentrates.  He spoke  about  the  protection of  delivery                                                                    
services  and  suggested  it would  be  more  discreet  than                                                                    
numerous business  with storefronts.  He referred to  the 16                                                                    
ounce limit  and opined  that it  was important  to consider                                                                    
how  the aggregate  weight produced  by law-abiding  growers                                                                    
would necessitate a higher limit.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:00:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICH  FOEHNER, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
against  SB  30,  and  implored   the  committee  to  remove                                                                    
marijuana from  the controlled substance list.  He supported                                                                    
the  idea  of  a  marijuana   control  board.  He  spoke  to                                                                    
medicinal oils  produced from cannabis, and  attested to the                                                                    
safety of its production.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:02:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHARLES MCKEE,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
of his concerns  with SB 30, and spoke in  support of taking                                                                    
marijuana  off  the  controlled substances  list.  He  spoke                                                                    
about federal overreach, and the  Supreme Court. He referred                                                                    
to issues about copyright and national monuments.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:05:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RANDALL  FALL,  SELF,  KENAI  (via  teleconference),  voiced                                                                    
objected  to Section  24  of SB  30,  dealing with  tracking                                                                    
consumers  of  marijuana. She  added  that  she opposed  the                                                                    
section  dealing  with  an open  container.  She  asked  the                                                                    
committee not to limit the  use of firearms. She opined that                                                                    
the  legislation was  not in  line  with the  intent of  the                                                                    
voter's  initiative. She  thanked  the  committee for  their                                                                    
work.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:07:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DOLLYINDA  PHELPS,   SELF,  NIKISKI   (via  teleconference),                                                                    
echoed  the previous  testifiers  and spoke  in  favor of  a                                                                    
marijuana  control board.  She suggested  that such  a board                                                                    
should  be  responsible  for furthering  the  regulation  of                                                                    
marijuana use.  She expressed concern about  marijuana being                                                                    
listed as  a controlled  substance. She spoke  in opposition                                                                    
to  the  16 ounce  limit  and  regarded  it  as a  waste  of                                                                    
resources. She  mentioned the 5  gram concentrate  limit and                                                                    
called  it   unreasonable.  She   spoke  in   opposition  to                                                                    
regulating gun use in the bill.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:10:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Micciche asked Ms.  Phelps to clarify her meaning                                                                    
when  she  spoke to  the  number  of allowable  plants.  Ms.                                                                    
Phelps  expressed that  she  supported  the initiative,  and                                                                    
considered a  felony to  be too  high a  level of  crime for                                                                    
possession  of marijuana.  She furthered  that the  16 ounce                                                                    
limit was  unreasonable, and the  felony charge for  over 25                                                                    
plants was  too harsh.  Vice-Chair Micciche stated  that the                                                                    
committee was trying  to stay as closely as  possible to the                                                                    
initiative.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:12:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEAN LARI, SELF, HAINES  (via teleconference), spoke against                                                                    
SB  30  and expressed  concern  that  there was  not  enough                                                                    
attention  paid  to  medical   users  with  regard  to  bill                                                                    
language. He  related his  personal experience  with medical                                                                    
cannabis  oil,  and  that  it  was  his  intent  to  produce                                                                    
medicine  as  a non-profit.  He  implored  the committee  to                                                                    
research  the benefits  of  medical marijuana,  particularly                                                                    
with regard  to amounts  needed to achieve  medical benefit.                                                                    
He spoke  about juicing  raw cannabis  for medical  use, and                                                                    
the  large  amounts  needed for  efficacy.  He  referred  to                                                                    
endocannabinoids and  human receptors. He  expressed concern                                                                    
that  the  bill   was  at  odds  with  the   intent  of  the                                                                    
initiative, and  stated that marijuana was  safe for medical                                                                    
or recreational use. Mr. Lari went offline.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:16:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL GLASGOW, SELF, HOMER (via teleconference), spoke                                                                        
He related that he was a  teamster and when he worked on the                                                                    
Alaska Pipeline he was injured.  He related that he also had                                                                    
a  rare  form of  rheumatoid  arthritis,  for which  he  was                                                                    
treated by  17 doctors. He shared  that he was treated  by a                                                                    
doctor  who  advised  him  to   exercise  and  use  cannabis                                                                    
medicinally, and he  has been a registered  medical user for                                                                    
the previous  9 years.  He opined that  cannabis was  put on                                                                    
Earth  by the  creator  and  should be  free  of charge.  He                                                                    
related that  he is  a fulltime  carver, and  attributes his                                                                    
success  and lack  of joint  deformity  wholly to  treatment                                                                    
with cannabis.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:17:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SHEIPE,  SELF, FRITZ CREEK (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in  favor of  the  JUD  version of  the  bill. He  expressed                                                                    
concern  with   cannabis  being   listed  as   a  controlled                                                                    
substance. He thanked the committee for their work.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:19:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DENNIS WADE,  SELF, EAST END (via  teleconference), spoke in                                                                    
opposition  of   the  current  version  of   the  bill,  and                                                                    
expressed support for the JUD  version. He relayed that is a                                                                    
medical marijuana user.  He  echoed the comments of previous                                                                    
testifiers,  and relayed  support  for  a marijuana  control                                                                    
board. He  referred to the  history of  marijuana illegality                                                                    
in  Alaska, and  suggested that  it was  due to  financially                                                                    
motivated reasons  rather than  concern for  public welfare.                                                                    
He thanked the committee for their work.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:20:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LINDIANNE  SARNO, SELF,  HOMER  (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                    
strong support  of the JUD  version of the  legislation. She                                                                    
referred  to   Section  15  of   the  bill,   which  defines                                                                    
"remuneration"   as  synonymous   with   sale,  barter,   or                                                                    
exchange.  She  commentated  that  barter and  trade  are  a                                                                    
traditional  part of  Alaskan folk  life,  family life,  and                                                                    
community.  She took  issue  with  the government  asserting                                                                    
itself into  the realm  of private  trade, making  the point                                                                    
that  it was  unenforceable  and an  intrusion into  private                                                                    
life.  She   contended  that   making  certain   amounts  of                                                                    
possession a  felony went  against the  will of  the people.                                                                    
She described  cannabis as a "geriatric  herb" that prolongs                                                                    
health; prolongs  life; saves  lives; is  non-addictive; and                                                                    
rather than being a gateway drug, is a medicine of choice.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:22:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRANDON   EMMETT,   EXECUTIVE    DIRECTOR,   COALITION   FOR                                                                    
RESPONSIBLE  CANNABIS  LEGISLATION  (COCL),  FAIRBANKS  (via                                                                    
teleconference), spoke  against the bill. He  specified that                                                                    
COCL  had  over 1,000  members.  He  related  that he  is  a                                                                    
lifelong  Alaskan  and has  been  a  fulltime paramedic  for                                                                    
seven  years.  He  expressed  disappointment  that  Co-Chair                                                                    
Kelly  was supportive  of the  current bill  despite the  57                                                                    
percent  of his  district  that favored  the initiative.  He                                                                    
urged Senator  Kelly to support his  constituents and uphold                                                                    
the  spirit  of the  ballot  initiative.  He disagreed  with                                                                    
having marijuana  listed alongside  more powerful  drugs, as                                                                    
well  as the  proposed  harsh penalties  for violations.  He                                                                    
spoke in favor of the earlier version of the bill.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
2:24:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Lari  (previously testified  from Haines)  continued his                                                                    
testimony. He  reiterated his suggestion that  the committee                                                                    
research  medicinal uses  of cannabis  to better  understand                                                                    
limitations on quantities. He argued  that three minutes did                                                                    
not  give  an  opportunity   for  testifiers  to  share  the                                                                    
significant  amount  of  information and  research  that  is                                                                    
warranted. He thanked the committee for their work.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:26:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche commented  that  the committee  members                                                                    
are  provided a  tremendous amount  of information  and have                                                                    
done extensive  research on the  subject. He  continued that                                                                    
the members were  trying to learn all they  could as quickly                                                                    
as possible.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:27:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KELLY  ANN  CLEMONS,  SELF,  WASILLA  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
spoke  in favor  of the  original version  of the  bill. She                                                                    
relayed that she  is a stay at home parent  of two children,                                                                    
and also  a seasonal employee  for the State of  Alaska. She                                                                    
referred to  the intent  of the  voters (in  the initiative)                                                                    
and implied that  the changes to the original  bill would be                                                                    
considered disregard  of that  intent. Further,  she thought                                                                    
such disregard could result  in disenfranchisement of voters                                                                    
and dissuade them  from wanting to exercise  their rights at                                                                    
the  polls. She  considered  that the  change  from the  JUD                                                                    
version would  have a  negative impact.  She noted  that she                                                                    
was not currently  a recreational user but  wanted her right                                                                    
preserved for the future.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:29:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LEIF  ABEL, SELF,  KASILOF  (via  teleconference), spoke  in                                                                    
opposition to  the current  version of  the bill.  He shared                                                                    
that he was more  supportive the Judiciary Committee version                                                                    
of  the legislation.  He shared  that  changing the  varying                                                                    
amounts of marijuana to an  aggregate weight per offense was                                                                    
a problem.  He felt the  definition of "open  container" was                                                                    
too  vague   in  the  current  version   making  enforcement                                                                    
difficult. He  announced that  marijuana was  different than                                                                    
alcohol. Alcohol  was a liquid  that was sold in  stores, so                                                                    
it was  relatively easy  to see if  the container  was open.                                                                    
The  legalization  of  marijuana may  allow  individuals  to                                                                    
produce marijuana at  home, so that should  be considered in                                                                    
relation to the definition  of "open container." He strongly                                                                    
disagreed with listing marijuana  as a controlled substance,                                                                    
and  making  any  marijuana  related   crime  a  felony.  He                                                                    
encouraged  the committee  to keep  the legislation  in line                                                                    
with the initiative language.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:32:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT DAVIS,  SELF, WASILLA (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                    
opposition to  the current  version of  the bill.  He echoed                                                                    
many of the previous  testifiers' statements. He wondered if                                                                    
"overdose" was  in any part  of the legislation.  He alleged                                                                    
that  an  individual would  need  to  smoke 1500  pounds  of                                                                    
marijuana in 15  minutes to overdose on  marijuana, which he                                                                    
felt was impossible. He shared  that there was some research                                                                    
regarding  juicing of  marijuana leaves,  and the  committee                                                                    
should   consider   that    research   when   drafting   the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  directed Mr. Davis  to page 11,  line 18                                                                    
of the  bill. She  stated that there  would be  an amendment                                                                    
recognizing  the overdose  issue.  There was  an attempt  to                                                                    
encourage  individuals  to  be comfortable  seeking  medical                                                                    
attention  related to  marijuana intake.  Mr. Davis  alleged                                                                    
that  there had  never  been a  recorded marijuana  overdose                                                                    
incident.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:34:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK  BERRARDI, BOARD  CHAIRMAN, COALITION  FOR RESPONSIBLE                                                                    
CANNABIS LEGISLATION, FAIRBANKS  (via teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in opposition  to the current  version of the bill.  He felt                                                                    
that the support of the  initiative reflected the desire the                                                                    
marijuana be treated similarly to  alcohol. He felt that the                                                                    
Senate  Judiciary Committee  understood that  intention, and                                                                    
supported their choice to remove  marijuana from the list of                                                                    
controlled  substances. He  supported the  judiciary version                                                                    
of the  bill. He  supposed that  assigning marijuana  to the                                                                    
controlled  substance  list was  a  result  of the  personal                                                                    
feelings of some legislators.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
An unknown person interjected about "the overdose issue."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon   commented  that  the  person   may  be                                                                    
referring to  an upcoming  amendment regarding  the overdose                                                                    
definition.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Berrardi continued  with his  testimony. He  encouraged                                                                    
Senator  Bishop  to  enforce  the  perspective  of  his  own                                                                    
constituents,  by   taking  a  stand  against   the  federal                                                                    
government. He  shared that Senator Bishop's  district voted                                                                    
in favor of the initiative by 58.7 percent.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:37:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GIRARD GAUL, SENIOR BOARD  MEMBER, COALITION FOR RESPONSIBLE                                                                    
CANNABIS LEGISLATION, FAIRBANKS  (via teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in opposition  to the current  version of the bill.  He felt                                                                    
that the  intent of  the initiative  was to  remove cannabis                                                                    
from the  scheduled substance list,  and treat  cannabis the                                                                    
same  as alcohol.  He  testified in  support  of the  Senate                                                                    
Judiciary version of the legislation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:39:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
HOPE LARO,  SELF, FAIRBANKS  (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                    
opposition to  the current version  of the bill.  She echoed                                                                    
the comments  of many of  the previous testifiers.  She felt                                                                    
that Alaskan  residents should have protected  and respected                                                                    
privacy    rights.   She    mentioned   regulation    versus                                                                    
legislation.  She related  that she  suffers from  a seizure                                                                    
disorder  and  has  used cannabis  medicinally  on  a  daily                                                                    
basis.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:42:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PHIL   WHEELAN,    COALITION   FOR    RESPONSIBLE   CANNABIS                                                                    
LEGISLATION,  ANCHORAGE   (via  teleconference),   spoke  in                                                                    
opposition to the  current version of SB 30.  He shared that                                                                    
air  transporting  of  marijuana to  the  rural  communities                                                                    
should be  considered in the  legislation. He  asserted that                                                                    
marijuana  should be  decriminalized,  and  did not  believe                                                                    
that felonies  should not  be marked  for cannabis.  He felt                                                                    
that regulating  by quantity  was a  null point,  because it                                                                    
was too  difficult to regulate  by quantity. He felt  that a                                                                    
delivery service  would reduce the number  of people driving                                                                    
with  cannabis.  He  understood  that  there  needed  to  be                                                                    
accurately  testing.   He  did  not  agree   that  with  the                                                                    
definition of "open container" in  the legislation. He added                                                                    
that the  reference to guns  in the bill should  be removed.                                                                    
He encouraged  the committee  to focus  more on  the finance                                                                    
aspect  of  the  initiative.  He wanted  to  sell  cannabis-                                                                    
infused products at farmers  markets, because cannabis could                                                                    
be considered a vegetable.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:45:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MEGAN  LYDA,  SELF,  HOMER (via  teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                    
opposition to the current version  of SB 30. She echoed many                                                                    
of  the previous  testifiers' statements.  She alluded  that                                                                    
the amendments had been made had  been a result of fear. She                                                                    
felt   that  the   committee  had   not  properly   educated                                                                    
themselves.  She remarked  that assigning  marijuana to  the                                                                    
list of controlled  substances went against the  will of the                                                                    
people.  She  stated   that  she  voted  in   favor  of  the                                                                    
initiative,  because she  felt that  criminalizing marijuana                                                                    
was  "ridiculous."  She opined  that  marijuana  was a  safe                                                                    
drug.   She  felt   that  limiting   gun  use   in  cannabis                                                                    
legislation was unnecessary.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  wondered where  the firearms  discussion was                                                                    
located. Ms.  Lyda believed that the  legislation outlined a                                                                    
limit on the number of firearms that one could keep.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop  announced  that  he  was  unaware  of  that                                                                    
limitation.  He  asked  that the  testifiers  point  to  the                                                                    
firearms limitation in the legislation.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:48:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FAY HAROLD,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                    
opposition to the  current version of the  bill, and support                                                                    
of the Senate Judiciary version.  She related that she was a                                                                    
lifelong  Alaskan  and  nurse.   She  spoke  in  support  of                                                                    
removing marijuana  from the controlled substance  list. She                                                                    
compared   and   contrasted    regulating   alcohol   versus                                                                    
marijuana.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:52:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL DAVIS,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                    
opposition to the current version  of the bill. He testified                                                                    
in  support   of  the  Senate   Judiciary  version   of  the                                                                    
legislation, because it  was in line with a  majority of the                                                                    
voters  who  endorsed  the initiative.  He  asked  that  the                                                                    
committee keep  the will  of the voters  in mind.  He agreed                                                                    
with most  of the  previous testifiers' statements.  He felt                                                                    
that the original prohibition of  marijuana was a foundation                                                                    
of criminal  activity, so removing  the foundation  would be                                                                    
the strongest way to limit criminal activity.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:54:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KIM  COLE, COALITION  FOR RESPONSIBLE  CANNABIS LEGISLATION,                                                                    
ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke in opposition  to the                                                                    
current version of  the bill. She asserted that  some of the                                                                    
amendments  that  were  integrated   into  the  most  recent                                                                    
version degraded the initial  ballot measure. She understood                                                                    
that  dispensaries should  be required  check identification                                                                    
for age requirements.  She did not agree  with putting those                                                                    
names  in  a database  for  tracking  purposes in  order  to                                                                    
ensure  that  a person  only  obtained  one ounce  per  day,                                                                    
because she felt it was  unconstitutional. She remarked that                                                                    
scheduling marijuana as a  controlled substance went against                                                                    
the initiative.  She felt  that the limit  of 16  ounces was                                                                    
unrealistic,  if one  had 16  plants in  his/her possession.                                                                    
She  felt that  the phrase  "never before  opened container"                                                                    
should  be  changed  to  read,  "field  container",  because                                                                    
flowers  would most  likely  be given  in  a container  that                                                                    
could  be resealed.  She announced  that 70  percent of  the                                                                    
districts in Alaska voted in favor of Ballot Measure 2.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:56:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRISTOPHER  LAPP,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
testified  against  the  current  version of  the  bill.  He                                                                    
related that he  was a disabled combat  veteran, and suffers                                                                    
from  chronic pain  and Post  Traumatic Stress  Disorder. He                                                                    
stated that many  of his fellow veterans  used marijuana for                                                                    
chronic  pain  and  for  control  of  post-traumatic  stress                                                                    
disorder  (PTSD). He  announced that  he would  like to  use                                                                    
marijuana for medical  purposes, but he was  cautious of the                                                                    
changing regulations  and penalties. He did  not support the                                                                    
limit  of  concentrates  and plants;  and  did  not  support                                                                    
scheduling marijuana  on the list of  controlled substances.                                                                    
He  felt that  there could  be transportation,  storage, and                                                                    
finance issues related  to those limits at  certain parts of                                                                    
the year. He spoke in  support of a marijuana control board,                                                                    
which could  regulate and  react with  the evolution  of the                                                                    
marijuana industry and the state.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:58:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL HOWARD,  SELF, HOPE (via  teleconference), testified                                                                    
against the  new version of the  bill.  He spoke  in support                                                                    
of  the version  that  passed out  of  the Senate  Judiciary                                                                    
Committee.   He   spoke  specifically   against   scheduling                                                                    
marijuana  in the  controlled  substance  list and  proposed                                                                    
felony  charges  for  infractions.   He  stressed  that  the                                                                    
citizens  of   Alaska  voted  to  legalize   marijuana,  and                                                                    
establish  a regulated  system for  growth, production,  and                                                                    
retail  sale  of marijuana.  He  remarked  that one  of  the                                                                    
greatest dangers  with current  marijuana use was  the legal                                                                    
implications that could occur  if caught using marijuana. He                                                                    
shared that  he was charged  with a  felony when he  was 18-                                                                    
years-old, after he had purchased  one gram, or ten dollars,                                                                    
worth of marijuana. He stressed  that the felony had limited                                                                    
his  access to  student  loans and  employment. He  remarked                                                                    
that three  of the most  recent U.S. presidents  admitted to                                                                    
smoking marijuana. He emphasized  that, had those presidents                                                                    
been caught  smoking at the  time, they would not  have been                                                                    
able to become the president.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:01:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANA  DEGRAW, SELF,  WASILLA  (via teleconference),  related                                                                    
that she  is a  medical cannabis  user, and  two-time cancer                                                                    
survivor.  She characterized  cannabis  as  a vegetable  and                                                                    
plant. She  spoke in opposition  to scheduling  marijuana on                                                                    
the list of controlled  substances. She echoed the testimony                                                                    
on some  previous testifiers,  and encouraged  the committee                                                                    
to educate themselves on the  use of cannabis. She announced                                                                    
that  she  hoped to  open  nonprofit  business that  allowed                                                                    
individuals to consume medicinal marijuana.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:03:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DANA  GUIDI,  SELF,  HOMER (via  teleconference),  spoke  in                                                                    
opposition to the  new version of the bill.  She shared that                                                                    
he was  more supportive  the Judiciary Committee  version of                                                                    
the  legislation.  She  shared  that  changing  the  varying                                                                    
amounts of marijuana to an  aggregate weight per offense was                                                                    
a problem. She  felt the definition of  "open container" was                                                                    
too  vague   in  the  current  version   making  enforcement                                                                    
difficult. She  announced that marijuana was  different than                                                                    
alcohol. Alcohol  was a liquid  that was sold in  stores, so                                                                    
it was  relatively easy  to see if  the container  was open.                                                                    
The  legalization  of  marijuana may  allow  individuals  to                                                                    
produce marijuana at  home, so that should  be considered in                                                                    
relation  to   the  definition  of  "open   container."  She                                                                    
strongly disagreed  with listing  marijuana as  a controlled                                                                    
substance, and making any marijuana  related crime a felony.                                                                    
She  encouraged the  committee to  keep  the legislation  in                                                                    
line with the initiative language.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:05:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID MATHENY,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in  opposition to  the new  version of  the bill.  He stated                                                                    
that he  voted for a  legalization of cannabis, and  did not                                                                    
support an  exception for the Controlled  Substances Act. He                                                                    
remarked that he had voted  for using the limited government                                                                    
resources in a  productive manner, and stressed  that he did                                                                    
not vote  for more  felonies related  to cannabis  usage. He                                                                    
added  that  he   did  not  support  a   database  to  track                                                                    
consumers. He supported a risk  premium for tax revenue that                                                                    
could be used  to mitigate the problems  associated with use                                                                    
of  cannabis. He  remarked that  cannabis was  not harmless,                                                                    
but it  was safer than  almost all other drugs.  He believed                                                                    
that  he  had  voted  for an  economic  sector  that  needed                                                                    
employees,  who could  possibly deliver  to a  residence. He                                                                    
remarked  that  there  were  valid  concerns  regarding  the                                                                    
limits on the  plants and the daily purchases.  He felt that                                                                    
medical marijuana  could provide  an alternative  to opioids                                                                    
and benzodiazepines.  He testified in support  of the Senate                                                                    
Judiciary version of the legislation.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:08:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHIE  WASSERMAN, ALASKA  MUNICIPAL LEAGUE,  JUNEAU, shared                                                                    
that she had worked on the  process and gave input on HB 75.                                                                    
She   remarked  that   there  was   work   to  ensure   that                                                                    
municipalities  could function  effectively and  efficiently                                                                    
within  the objective  of the  initiative.  She stated  that                                                                    
there was a  balance of the wishes of  constituents with the                                                                    
safety of the residents.  She expressed concern with Section                                                                    
33,  page 2,  line 11  of the  current version,  which said,                                                                    
"The authority  to regulate  is reserved  to the  state, and                                                                    
except as  specifically provided by statute,  a municipality                                                                    
may not enact  or enforce an ordinance  that is inconsistent                                                                    
with 1738.  She shared that  HB 75 was eleven  pages dealing                                                                    
with the  regulatory powers that  she believed  were granted                                                                    
in   the  initiative.   She  wanted   to  ensure   that  the                                                                    
municipality   had   a   regulatory  authority   board,   so                                                                    
municipalities  could  have  the  flexibility  to  react  to                                                                    
legislation. She wondered if some  of the legislation should                                                                    
have been  discussed under  HB 75, because  of its  focus on                                                                    
marijuana criminalization.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:11:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID SANDEN,  ALASKAN CANNABIS PROJECT, AUKE  BAY, spoke in                                                                    
opposition to  SB 30. He  felt that the committee  needed to                                                                    
halt its efforts,  and obtain an education  on marijuana. He                                                                    
understood the  problems with regulating the  ballot measure                                                                    
and the  initiative, but felt that  regulation was possible.                                                                    
He  felt  that the  Alcohol  Control  Board was  capable  of                                                                    
regulating  marijuana,  and  felt  that  the  decisions  and                                                                    
regulations could be trusted to that board.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  asked Mr. Sanden  could identify a  place in                                                                    
the legislation where position of  a firearm was prohibited.                                                                    
Mr.  Sanden  did  not  know,   but  felt  that  the  firearm                                                                    
provision should not be included.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop remarked that he  did not know where that was                                                                    
located  in the  legislation. Mr.  Sanden restated  that the                                                                    
firearm   provision   should   not  be   included   in   the                                                                    
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:15:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN FARLEIGH,  SELF, ANCHORAGE (via  teleconference), spoke                                                                    
in opposition to  the new version of the bill.  He felt that                                                                    
the  committee  was  not   supportive  of  legalization.  He                                                                    
encouraged the  committee to take  the same approach  as the                                                                    
Senate  Judiciary Committee,  because  that  version of  the                                                                    
bill seemed to support the initiative.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:21:02 PM                                                                                                                    
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:21:12 PM                                                                                                                    
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:21:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRIAN  EHLERS,  SELF,  KASILOF  (via  teleconference),  took                                                                    
issue with some  language in the legislation,  and felt that                                                                    
it was not  in line with the ballot measure.  He shared that                                                                    
Proposition 2 stated that an adult  21 years of age or older                                                                    
would be  allowed six  plants, and the  yield of  the plants                                                                    
could be  possessed. He testified against  listing marijuana                                                                    
as a controlled substance. He  felt that marijuana should be                                                                    
regulated through  a marijuana  control board. He  felt that                                                                    
the 5 gram  concentrate rule should be  changed. He remarked                                                                    
that some cancer patients could quickly go through 5 grams.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:23:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVE   WELLS,  CRIMINAL   DEFENSE  ATTORNEY,   PALMER  (via                                                                    
teleconference), encouraged  the committee to  reinstate the                                                                    
former version of the legislation.  He remarked that alcohol                                                                    
does more harm  than marijuana. He stressed  that there were                                                                    
many  individuals  who  had  a   great  dependency  on  both                                                                    
marijuana  and alcohol.  He furthered  that there  were many                                                                    
people who used marijuana  responsibly, much like those that                                                                    
use alcohol responsibly. He remarked  that the United States                                                                    
had a much larger prison  population than other parts of the                                                                    
world.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:28:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
FRANK MIGHELL, SELF,  ANCHORAGE (via teleconference), shared                                                                    
that there were many products  that were made from cannabis,                                                                    
such  as cannabis  canvas. He  shared that  Kansas had  used                                                                    
cannabis  to  reduce erosion  on  roadsides.  He hoped  that                                                                    
stores would  someday offer the choice  between cannabis and                                                                    
cotton.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
3:29:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ALLEN  CORNELISON,  SELF,  ANCHORAGE  (via  teleconference),                                                                    
felt  that  Alaska should  have  similar  marijuana laws  as                                                                    
Colorado.  He did  not believe  that marijuana  should be  a                                                                    
controlled substance, but should  be regulated like alcohol.                                                                    
He stressed that  the prohibition of marijuana  did not have                                                                    
a  positive effect.  He feared  that  limiting business  and                                                                    
opportunities  would  create  a positive  black  market.  He                                                                    
wondered why  the legislation set  out limitations  when the                                                                    
voters did not vote for  those limitations. He felt that the                                                                    
Senate Judiciary version  of the bill was  more positive for                                                                    
business.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:32:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JACOB   TATUM,   SELF,   ANCHORAGE   (via   teleconference),                                                                    
testified  against   assigning  cannabis  as   a  controlled                                                                    
substance. He stressed that the  Alaskan people had voted to                                                                    
legalize marijuana. He echoed  some of the other testifiers'                                                                    
points  of  view.  He  knew   some  young  people  that  had                                                                    
expressed support  for cannabis legalization. He  added that                                                                    
cannabis could be used for medicinal purposes.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:35:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK COSTA, SELF, ANCHORAGE  (via teleconference), felt that                                                                    
marijuana was  safer than alcohol.  He shared that he  had a                                                                    
drinking problem  at one  point in  his life,  and marijuana                                                                    
use helped  him overcome that  issue. He shared that  he had                                                                    
worked  at  a  liquor  store, so  he  observed  the  adverse                                                                    
effects of alcohol dependency.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:37:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JASON  HOWARD, SELF,  SOLDOTNA  (via teleconference),  spoke                                                                    
against SB  30, including  listing cannabis as  a controlled                                                                    
substance. He related  that he was an Iraqi  war veteran and                                                                    
had suffered  a variety  of injuries, including  a traumatic                                                                    
brain injury  and PTSD. He  cited research that  showed that                                                                    
marijuana use had positive effects  on treating the symptoms                                                                    
of his various ailments.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:40:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROSS MULLINS,  SELF, CORDOVA (via teleconference),  spoke in                                                                    
opposition to SB  30. He expressed concern with  the lack of                                                                    
knowledge  displayed by  legislators in  various committees.                                                                    
He alleged that the committee  members may have been subject                                                                    
to  conservative  "knee-jerk  reactions"   due  to  lack  of                                                                    
experience  with marijuana.  He referred  to the  amounts of                                                                    
allowable marijuana, and felt that  it was not in accordance                                                                    
with realistic expectations.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:45:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ZEKE HILSINGER, SELF, SUTTON  (via teleconference), spoke in                                                                    
opposition to the current version  of the bill. He felt that                                                                    
the committee  had a  lack of knowledge  about what  some of                                                                    
the definitions  of marijuana concentrates might  entail. He                                                                    
encouraged the committee to spend  time with individuals who                                                                    
had knowledge  about marijuana concentrates. He  shared that                                                                    
marijuana  smoked  in  a  bowl  of  a  pipe  equated  to  10                                                                    
milligrams of THC  with each toke. He spoke  to the practice                                                                    
of  treating  cancer with  THC.  He  noted that  there  were                                                                    
various  types  of liquor  that  had  different amounts  and                                                                    
concentrations of alcohol.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:48:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RACHELLE YEUNG,  MARIJUANA POLICY PROJECT,  WASHINGTON, D.C.                                                                    
(via  teleconference),  testified  about  multiple  concerns                                                                    
with SB  30. She  spoke in support  of the  Senate Judiciary                                                                    
version and  specifically the removal of  marijuana from the                                                                    
controlled substances  list. She spoke in  opposition of the                                                                    
16 ounce  limitation. She spoke  to the limits  on marijuana                                                                    
concentrates,   and   expressed  concern   regarding   those                                                                    
limitations. She stressed  that there should be  no law that                                                                    
was in  conflict with the  will of the voters.  She remarked                                                                    
that the limitation of 5  grams of marijuana concentrate per                                                                    
day  would require  tracking  of  customers. An  alternative                                                                    
approach   may  be   to  limit   the  amount   of  marijuana                                                                    
concentrate sold  per transaction,  which would  not require                                                                    
intrusive tracking.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  related  that there  was  an  amendment                                                                    
ready  to address  the transaction  issue of  5 ounces.  She                                                                    
felt that  the day's testimony  might be related  to talking                                                                    
points  that  may  have been  incorrectly  interpreted.  She                                                                    
stated  that there  was  no intention  to  track sales.  She                                                                    
remarked that the initiative did  not require the removal of                                                                    
marijuana from the list of controlled substances.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche shared  that  there  was no  difference                                                                    
between  the  current  version   and  the  Senate  Judiciary                                                                    
version, as  related to  firearms. He  looked at  the Senate                                                                    
Judiciary  version  F,  Section  15, which  stated  that  "a                                                                    
person commits  a crime of  misconduct involving  weapons in                                                                    
the  third  degree,  if  they  knowingly  sell  or  transfer                                                                    
firearms  to a  person  who is  substantially impaired,  and                                                                    
possesses  on  the  person  a   firearm  when  the  person's                                                                    
physical or mental condition is  impaired." He stressed that                                                                    
the firearm issue was related  to impairment. He pointed out                                                                    
that Section 16 also dealt with firearms.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:55:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID  JOHNSON,  CEO  AND FOUNDER  OF  GRASSP,  OREGON  (via                                                                    
teleconference),  testified in  opposition to  SB 30  and in                                                                    
support of  home delivery of  marijuana. He  suggested there                                                                    
have  been technology  innovations that  were important  for                                                                    
the  committee to  consider, and  mentioned legalization  in                                                                    
the  state  of Colorado.  He  explained  that Grassp  was  a                                                                    
regulated safe-access  technology platform, and  that "safe-                                                                    
access"  referred to  home delivery.  He recommended  that a                                                                    
safe-access  technology  solution  be used  to  support  and                                                                    
address  concerns  about  home  delivery.  He  directed  the                                                                    
committee to the Grassp website  at grasspit.com. He thanked                                                                    
the committee for their consideration.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:57:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BEN    ADAMS,   SELF,    SANTA    ROSA,   CALIFORNIA    (via                                                                    
teleconference), spoke  in opposition to the  new version of                                                                    
SB 30.  He related  that he is  an Alaska  licensed attorney                                                                    
and did  a lot of  cannabis business creation.  He expressed                                                                    
that many of the previous  testifiers had consulted with him                                                                    
or  were his  clients.  He added  that he  is  also a  board                                                                    
member  of  the CRCL.  He  expressed  concern with  how  the                                                                    
legislation would affect industry  by driving potential job-                                                                    
creators   and  investors   to   other   states  with   less                                                                    
restrictive  laws. He  spoke to  how the  marijuana industry                                                                    
could benefit the  state, particularly in a time  of low oil                                                                    
prices.  He  related that  he  intended  to return  home  to                                                                    
Alaska  and aid  in the  opening of  marijuana industry.  He                                                                    
asked the  committee to consider his  comments before moving                                                                    
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair MacKinnon  CLOSED public testimony and  thanked all                                                                    
the   individuals    that   testified.   She    noted   that                                                                    
approximately  ten individuals  were  dropped  off net.  She                                                                    
asked  that members  submit their  amendments by  5 o'clock,                                                                    
but  noted that  she would  accept  them until  noon of  the                                                                    
following day.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman related  that he would like to  have time to                                                                    
consider any  information that comes  with regard  to acting                                                                    
on  behalf of  the  unorganized borough,  and have  language                                                                    
drafted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Micciche   thanked  all  the   individuals  that                                                                    
testified.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  MacKinnon  thanked   the  committee  members,  and                                                                    
reiterated  that amendments  were due  as soon  as possible,                                                                    
understanding  that the  Legislative Legal  Department would                                                                    
need the information to continue their work.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SB  30  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in   committee  for  further                                                                    
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
4:03:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 4:03 p.m.